Baden Wuerttemberg is about to introduce Semester Fees for Non EU students. Just a few more signatures and we'd be able to take this petition to the next stage!

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3 years 1 month ago #1 by Anonymous User
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Baden Wuerttemberg is about to introduce Semester Fees for Non EU students. Just a few more signatures and we'd be able to take this petition to the next stage!

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3 years 1 month ago #2 by Anonymous User
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My only reason for believing this to be wrong is EQUALITY. Everyone should be entitled to equal rights and opportunities, and sadly this is not the case. Discrimination based on nationality, color, race, language, age, sex is reality the world over. This will just increase that.

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3 years 1 month ago #3 by Anonymous User
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3 years 1 month ago #4 by Anonymous User
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As I said, equalty is my reason, but please feel free to go through the comments and maybe you will be convinced too. :) here's to hoping that that happens!

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3 years 1 month ago #5 by Anonymous User
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lol you gave her facts and presented your argument logically and she comes back with "it's my feelings"

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3 years 1 month ago #6 by Anonymous User
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LOLOL Do point out where I said "its my feelings"

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3 years 1 month ago #7 by Anonymous User
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obviously i'm exaggerating. But I'm interested in your solution to who pays if everyone gets in for free regardless of whether they pay taxes or not

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3 years 1 month ago #8 by Anonymous User
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I'm still coming up with an apt answer to that to be honest

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3 years 1 month ago #9 by Anonymous User
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well, something like 30% of international students are staying in Germany after graduating and contributing via taxes. How about German/EU students that leave the EU upon graduating? Should they have to pay back tuition as well?

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3 years 1 month ago #10 by Anonymous User
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equality would be if EU students didnt have to pay if they study abroad

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3 years 1 month ago #11 by Anonymous User
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I am still thinking in mathematic fashion... when mentioning limit of 120 days to work in petition and how to support living in big cities, I wonder who is having most benefit from "free" education? For example trends of many companies are on having i.e. 30 open positions for interns and praktikum but only 3 full positions (real jobs) or such statistics. Just example numbers more or less. Also, with increasing student number and regional governments failing to increase spending, I think the issue is more economic: www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/04/tu...any-higher-education

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3 years 1 month ago #12 by Anonymous User
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Nina Kudryashova any reasons why 70% left?

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3 years 1 month ago #13 by Anonymous User
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One reason could be difficulty to find a job, as this article (in German) suggests. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.welt.de/amp/pol...Uni-Absolventen.html

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3 years 1 month ago #14 by Anonymous User
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Nina Kudryashova but they very much like them doing intern/praktikum mini/midi jobs. Actually people can do master thesis as 6 month project solving some problem in company. 2 master thesis a year is like 1 full time person working for company, just ~200-300% cheaper. Its very good deal for companies. I have feeling this is happening: number of students go up, number of full time jobs go down, less tax in state and federal by companies, and some money hole pops up to be filled by someone

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3 years 1 month ago #15 by Anonymous User
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Unfortunately, you are talking about "feelings", something that was already criticised in this thread. Without evidence we can't really discuss those claims.

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3 years 1 month ago #16 by Anonymous User
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p.s. nobody is paid to create nor provide evidence here. you need to pay for that, studies and statistics cost effort

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3 years 1 month ago #17 by Anonymous User
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I do not want to sound rude. But u write : "EQUALITY. Everyone should be entitled to equal rights and opportunities, and sadly this is not the case. " Equality is also: Everyone has a duty to participate to society in a way or another by paying taxes. I am not German but the parents of the students are indirectly paying through their taxes. I feel sad that students (from Europe or not) have to pay fees to study. I know people from outside Europe who could come, study here and now work in Europe. And I find it awesome ! Sadly they are also people coming in some countries of Europe it is free and then going back to their country and this is sad and the investment is gone. The debate is not as simple as EQUALITY.

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3 years 1 month ago #18 by Anonymous User
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This is from another arguments on another page where I posted this : What about the EU students who leave right after having finished their studies(for free in EU) and what about the Non EU students who choose to stay and contribute to pay taxes here in Germany.

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3 years 1 month ago #19 by Anonymous User
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Point is that you cannot discriminate based on where a student was born, all students should have euqal responsibilties as far as paying student fees go. If many choose to leave the country after that, thats another issue that the government shuld try to fix, not having them come here in the first place, by telling them that they and only they as outsiders will be paying student fees is not the right way to deal with it.

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3 years 1 month ago #20 by Anonymous User
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The better solution is help with entering the job market. 80% of international students say they would like to stay in Germany at least for the next 5 years, and yet only 30% do.

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3 years 1 month ago #21 by Anonymous User
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Alternatively, equality would also be charging EU students the fees if they leave the EU after studying there! But the thing is, university studies are not a zero sum game, at least not at the country level. They do benefit the world in general, and potentially Germany as well, when students go elsewhere and keep a positive opinion of Germany, making them more likely to engage with the country economically. Anyway, since lots of German students leave the country after studying, it is beneficial to allow free tuition to foreigners as well. Even if they don't all stay in the country after graduating, the ones who do would enter the skilled labor market, contributing to the taxes more than the average German (likely), and replacing some of the educated Germans that left to live abroad.

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